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		<title>Good News and Bad News</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friday all the inspectors showed up. First was the electrical inspector. She actually arrived when I was on my way back from the hardware store so I talked her through most of it on the phone, only arriving as she was finishing up. Everything passed, except one of the boxes in the ceiling should have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friday all the inspectors showed up.</p>
<p>First was the electrical inspector. She actually arrived when I was on my way back from the hardware store so I talked her through most of it on the phone, only arriving as she was finishing up.</p>
<p>Everything passed, except one of the boxes in the ceiling should have been face-up (into the attic) for accessibility. She was concerned about the remaining knob &amp; tube, but I convinced her that the rest of the house was running off it and I would be happily removing it room by room as I renovated. I had her look at the little subpanel, and even though she couldn&#8217;t officially &#8220;inspect&#8221; it since it wasn&#8217;t included on my permit she said everything looked okay.</p>
<p>(Apparently she asked Jen if I had an electrical background. She said what I would have, which is <em>no, I&#8217;m a complete newbie, but I read books.</em>)</p>
<p>Second, the building inspector. As I figured, everything looked good, except for a couple missing nail plates over holes through the studs. He gave me a pass with the stipulations that I install nail plates and insulation (which I already had on site) and that the plumbing inspector passed me. All good so far.</p>
<p>Then the plumbing inspector showed up, and I wasn&#8217;t done with running the PEX. I&#8217;d hoped he&#8217;d arrive later in the afternoon, but no such luck. In any case, it didn&#8217;t matter, since he took one look at the new tub drain and said it didn&#8217;t pass. There wasn&#8217;t a vent close enough to the drain, and Nate had installed flexible Fernco compression fittings (not the metal-covered ones) to connect the toilet and tub drains to the cast iron stack (which apparently aren&#8217;t approved for indoors, notwithstanding my plumbing guru&#8217;s book &#8212; maybe it&#8217;s just a Seattle thing). The inspector took pity on us and basically went outside his purview and described what he would do if he were the plumber and officially allowed to tell us what to do. Heh.</p>
<p>Now, at this point, we had a non-code tub drain, half-installed PEX supply lines, cuts in the old lines, and no water to the house. I was utterly exhausted, and Jen was dog-tired after removing about a million nails holding down the carpet on the stairs. Our plans for closing up this weekend so we could possibly have an operational bathroom by next Friday were quite obviously scotched.</p>
<p>So we discussed it for a few minutes and did what we should have done in the first place: called a plumber.</p>
<p>The plumber arrived about an hour later, looked around, came up with a plan, and handed us an estimate for just $1700 (and that was contingent on us doing all the necessary demo). We handed him a check and a house key so he could do the work on Monday, and went home planning to break into my current job&#8217;s 401(k), which up to now had been sacrosanct. (All of our credit cards were near the limit already.) He&#8217;s going to do the drain right using 2&#8243; pipe the whole way plus a vent and a test cap, install the PEX supply lines correctly using 3/4&#8243; tube on the main line instead of 1/2&#8243;, and install the shower valve, which is reportedly much more difficult than it looks.</p>
<p>Jen called her folks when we got home, and we got more good news: they were sending us a check as an investment in our daughter; it was supposed to be a surprise, but they figured they should tell us so I didn&#8217;t tap my 401(k) on Monday morning before the check arrived. It&#8217;s going to be enough to cover a lot of things and a huge load off our minds.</p>
<p>So we won&#8217;t have a completed bathroom by move-in day. Not possible. But it should at least be minimally operational by then, even if we have to hang plastic around the shower or at worst have to take showers at our friend Alexia&#8217;s house a mile away. The rest of the work can be evenings and weekends without having to drive twenty miles each way.</p>
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		<title>Things Start Going Back In</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(or, Welcome to The Bathroom Renovation Death March, or, Plombieren Macht Frei.) This is where things got bad. I was running out of time and the to-do list just kept getting bigger as I discovered step after intermediate step that I hadn&#8217;t planned for. The plan was to finish up the framing, including framing in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(or, Welcome to The Bathroom Renovation Death March, or, <em>Plombieren Macht Frei.<span style="font-style: normal;">)</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">This is where things got bad. I was running out of time and the to-do list just kept getting bigger as I discovered step after intermediate step that I hadn&#8217;t planned for.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">The plan was to finish up the framing, including framing in the hole where the old closet door was and building the stub wall to go at the foot of the tub, then to run the electrical back to the breaker panel, then tap into the existing feed lines and run PEX to the faucet, bath and toilet. Didn&#8217;t even come close.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">First off, of course, is that I didn&#8217;t even get to the house until after 3pm, what with having to run around and pick up supplies, including my busted Craigslist Special circular saw from the repair shop way the hell up in Kirkland (about fifteen miles out of my way). Then I ate a sandwich and finally got to work about 4pm. I called the city and county and scheduled all the inspections for the following day. I was committed now.</span></em></p>
<p><span id="more-415"></span>Finishing the framing was the easy part &#8212; mostly. I filled in the doorway with 2x4s and cut a patch for the 2nd bedroom closet wall where we had to tear it out to get out the old galvanized tub vent pipe. Then my saw up and died &#8212; there was power all the way to the handle but no action when I pulled the trigger. Hundred bucks worth of dead plastic and metal. Dammit.</p>
<p>Luckily, I&#8217;d purchased a hand saw the day before to make a cut after Nate&#8217;s sawzall died, so I got to work manually cutting the studs for the stub wall and the floorboard patch. I think I finished the framing at about 7pm.</p>
<p>Then I turned to the electrical. Now, the whole original part of the house is run off knob and tube, even if there&#8217;s romex spliced into it to feed a lamp or whatever. There was a rat&#8217;s nest of K&amp;T above the ceiling, so I turned off the power and climbed up the ladder with a flashlight to start figuring out what went where and what could be removed. A whole lot of clipping and wire-nutting later, all the lights and switches were disconnected and the exposed splices and stub ends were safely enclosed in nonmetallic boxes (that I&#8217;d bought on Nate&#8217;s advice). <em>That</em> was about 10pm.</p>
<p>Wiring the new circuits was complicated. I already knew the breaker panel was full up, and figured out the easiest, cheapest way to extend it. I&#8217;d discovered that the breaker panel had a 40-amp double pole breaker for the old electric water heater that wasn&#8217;t attached to anything (we have a gas water heater now). Earlier that afternoon, I&#8217;d bought a little 60-amp Siemens main lug panel with room for two full-size breakers, a 50-amp breaker for the old box, and a piece of 6-3 wire to connect them. So I pulled the 40-amp breaker, put in the 50-amp breaker, installed the Siemens box on a piece of plywood next to the main box, and ran the connecting wire. (All without ever disconnecting the main power, because Federal Pacific Stab-Lok breaker panels <em>don&#8217;t have a main breaker.</em> Jeezus!)</p>
<p>Then I drilled the remaining few holes in the bathroom for the wire (I&#8217;d got most of them while Nate was working), put in the boxes for the sconce lights, ran the wire inside the bathroom between the fixtures and the switches, and plotted out the route between the bathroom and the breaker panel. OOPS.</p>
<p>Guess what? Running the wire up and down the walls used up about forty feet of my hundred-foot roll, and I needed about 75 feet to get both circuits back to the panel. So I drilled the necessary holes in the joists and went ahead and ran one of the circuits.</p>
<p>At that point it was 4am and I was dying. We&#8217;d brought over a foam pad for Thekla to roll around on when we had her at the house, so I took all the gear out of my pockets and laid down for a three-hour nap.</p>
<p>I woke up freezing at 7am, geared back up, and headed to Home Depot for more wire. I got back about 8am and started running the wire for the second bathroom circuit. Jen arrived about 9am and got right to work on getting the carpet off the stairs, while I got all the ground wires connected together in all the switch and receptacle boxes.</p>
<p>That was it for the framing and electrical, so I got right to work on the PEX. Instead of running multiple parallel lines like you would for a manifold system (which is what I want eventually), I ran a single line and T-ed off it for each fixture. At that point the next step was to shut off the water to the house and cut the lines to tap into them. Unfortunately, the old corroded-together galvanized lines proved impossible for me to budge, so I was in a quandary because I needed to break them back to a fitting to attach an adapter.</p>
<p>At that point the plumbing inspector showed up.</p>
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		<title>Bathroom Demo Part 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#8217;t been posting the last few days because I&#8217;ve either been too goddam busy or too goddam tired. The difference between the DIY reality shows and reality is that the shows never show people covered in filth on top of a ladder working with heavy tools at arm&#8217;s length in the middle of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been posting the last few days because I&#8217;ve either been too goddam busy or too goddam tired.</p>
<p>The difference between the DIY reality shows and reality is that the shows never show people covered in filth on top of a ladder working with heavy tools at arm&#8217;s length in the middle of the night.</p>
<p>Monday I pulled down the ceiling and dropped a huge pile of rockwool all over everything &#8212; I pulled one nail off the corner of each sheet of drywall and the whole thing came down. There were a bunch of nails in the joists, but the drywall must have been completely rotten. After I cleaned all of that up, I scraped up all the vinyl flooring and the linoleum underneath it (at least I hope it was linoleum). Also, the building inspector showed up for the preliminary inspection, and signed off on all our plans, including the stairs; what was especially useful is that he let me know that on old existing buildings they&#8217;re understanding about what&#8217;s possible and what isn&#8217;t, and with respect to the winding stairs that the 6&#8243; inner width of the tread was the most important part and that if we missed the 10&#8243; middle width by a quarter-inch or so they could let it slide.</p>
<p><span id="more-411"></span>Tuesday we had Nate the Handyman (colleague of Bob) in to help. I realized that the bathroom and the old closet floor were at different heights, so we stripped it down to the subfloor. It broke my heart to rip up all that 3/4&#8243; thick hardwood floor, but it was so damaged by moisture that there was no saving it. Then we moved the tub, all three hundred pounds of it, out the door onto a piece of cardboard into the parlor.</p>
<p>At this point, Nate did most of the work while I ran back and forth to the hardware store for parts. First he furred out the old closet wall so it wasn&#8217;t just 2x4s laid parallel to the wall (leaving a space to get the tub back in). Then we demoed the old tub drain line. Because we were unclear on the requirements, I called a plumbing inspector at the county, who said that the line had to be 2&#8243; pipe, but Home Depot only had 1-1/2&#8243; tub-drain-and-overflow units, and the galvanized nipple sticking out of the cast iron stack was only 1-1/2&#8243;, so fine, we&#8217;ll make the line in between 2&#8243; and just slap adapters at both ends. This turned out to be a mistake. (See <a href="http://casadelovely.com/2009/09/good-news-and-bad-news/">the post after next</a>.)</p>
<p>He cut the hole for the new tub drain and started putting in the trap, and also hung up the overhead light and the vent fan, but unfortunately at that point he&#8217;d worked a full day  so I asked him back the next day (oh, my wallet).</p>
<p>Wednesday, he built a bumpout wall against the outer wall because the trap wouldn&#8217;t fit otherwise (it would have to go down into the concrete foundation wall). Then he put in the drain line and we moved the tub back in and set it in place. Although that doesn&#8217;t sound like a lot, it took most of the day to do. Meanwhile, I was ripping up the subfloor floorboards against the wet wall because they were completely rotten. Last thing we got done was cutting the hole in the roof and installing the vent fan duct. Nate left his near-$1000 bill and went home; I went to Lowe&#8217;s for the PEX supplies they don&#8217;t carry at Home Depot (and a bunch of other stuff) and then went home.</p>
<p>Thursday, the plan was to do all the electrical and PEX water piping and call for frame, electrical and plumbing inspections for Friday so we could close up the walls this weekend. Didn&#8217;t happen. <a href="http://casadelovely.com/2009/09/things-start-going-back-in/">See next post.</a></p>
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		<title>Bathroom Demo Part I</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edited to add: The original graphic theme for this blog wasn&#8217;t working out, so we&#8217;re trying &#8220;Arclite&#8221;. Please let us know if there&#8217;s any issues with the UI. Thanks! Yesterday after getting the permits all straightened out I got to spend about three hours working in the bathroom. Today it was about the same &#8212; [...]]]></description>
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<p>Yesterday after getting the permits all straightened out I got to spend about three hours working in the bathroom. Today it was about the same &#8212; got there about 3:00 and left at 6:00.</p>
<p>The permits and plans &#8220;prominently posted at the job site&#8221;:</p>
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<p>The bathroom before yesterday and today&#8217;s demo. I&#8217;d already removed the chair rail molding, the sink and the toilet:</p>
<p><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0664.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-350" title="IMG_0664" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0664-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0664" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0665.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-351" title="IMG_0665" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0665-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0665" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>I pulled off all the remaining moldings and door casings (carefully for the main door, since I&#8217;m putting them back). I got all the drywall off of one and a half walls, and all the towel hooks, mirror, etc., which are in pretty good shape and will be appearing in a Craigslist ad very soon.</p>
<p>Bathroom at end of day today:</p>
<p><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0667.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-352" title="IMG_0667" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0667-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0667" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0668.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-353" title="IMG_0668" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0668-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0668" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0670.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-354" title="IMG_0670" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0670-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0670" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>So I now think that, in the 1930 floor plan, what is now the parlor was the main bedroom. Either in the original plan or very soon thereafter, they framed in a closet against the wall opposite the bathroom with 2x2s, which is why the bathroom side of that wall is narrow horizontal T&amp;G instead of the wide vertical T&amp;G on the room side that&#8217;s used everywhere else.</p>
<p>Much later, very possibly in 1994, the owner knocked out the part of the bathroom/closet wall and drywalled the bathroom.</p>
<p>You can see the framing of the wall between the old closet and the old bathroom in these two photos:</p>
<p><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0671.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-356" title="IMG_0671" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0671-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0671" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0672.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-357" title="IMG_0672" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0672-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0672" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>You can see the end stud and the top plate of the 2&#215;4 wall that was removed, along with nail and pipe/wire holes.</p>
<p>I say in 1994 because I found a bible hidden in the walls with a note inside reading &#8220;Hid 12-17-1994&#8243;.</p>
<p><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0689.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-348" title="IMG_0689" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0689-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0689" width="150" height="150" /></a><a href="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0686.JPG"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-347" title="IMG_0686" src="http://casadelovely.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_0686-150x150.jpg" alt="IMG_0686" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>The T&amp;G cladding in the old bathroom was removed (assuming it was ever there), so in there the drywall was 1/2&#8243; and fastened to the studs. In the old closet, the T&amp;G was not removed so they put 1/4&#8243; drywall directly over it. This still didn&#8217;t make the walls even, so they had to add wider moldings to the bathroom side.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a load-bearing wall, so I don&#8217;t understand why they cut the bottom plate and removed the intermediate studs, but didn&#8217;t cut the top plate or remove the end stud. It would have been so much easier to make it look good.</p>
<p>WTF #1: Notice how the cold stubout comes up from the floor but the hot stubout comes down from <em>somewhere:</em></p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s the plan for the next couple of days:</p>
<ol>
<li>go up in the attic and scoop away all the rockwool insulation from above the bathroom ceiling so I can demo without having all that fall down on me</li>
<li>find the shutoff valve for the tub/shower and then remove the faucets and handles</li>
<li>remove the window casing, the rest of the drywall, the T&amp;G cladding, the vinyl floor, and the plastic shower surround</li>
<li>turn off the power and trace and cap the wiring (removing the hidden junctions or unboxed splices that I&#8217;m sure are up in the attic)</li>
<li>drop at least part of the downstairs bathroom ceiling and disconnect the bathub drain</li>
<li>trace the water lines back as far as I can to the earliest common point where I can cap them</li>
<li>hope like hell the subfloor is okay and doesn&#8217;t need replacing</li>
</ol>
<p>The building inspector is scheduled to come by sometime on Monday to review and approve the plans, and I want the bathroom completely opened up by then so he can see the stub wall I want to move isn&#8217;t load-bearing. Hopefully he won&#8217;t make me reframe the 2&#215;2 old closet wall.</p>
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